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New York City: Timing, they say, is everything. Some people are born under the right stars. This is an understatement for Hari Nef, who seems to be the right person with the winning combination of talent, looks, and attitude required to navigate this cultural moment and thrive. Nef has done the impossible: She left New York a well-known personality with a sizable online following and returned a few years later a legit Hollywood starlet. From the outside, this meteoric rise seemed instant. One moment, Nef\u2019s a memorable downtown door girl and Eckhaus Latta model, the next she\u2019s flirting with Ryan Gosling on the silver screen. Nef landed the role of a lifetime as the most iconic \u2018doll\u2019 in the world in last year\u2019s inescapable commercial tidal wave: Barbie<\/i>. The film that defined the notorious character\u2019s values to the masses featured Nef as the brand\u2019s canonical doctor. And if this wasn\u2019t enough, that same spring, she appeared in another A-list\u00a0production, HBO\u2019s limited series, The Idol<\/i>. Nef played Talia Hirsch, an emotionally manipulative Vanity Fair<\/i> reporter who\u2019s on assignment profiling pop princess Jocelyn (played by Lily-Rose Depp).<\/b><\/span><\/p>\r\n

I meet up with Nef in her first adult apartment, a loft-like studio that straddles the border between the West Village and Chelsea with windows that open up to a view of the Whitney Museum of American Art. Her pink apartment (a few tasteful shades lighter than Barbie pink) mixes the formality of Hollywood Regency with the youthful cool of the downtown art and club scenes where she first got her start. It\u2019s a crossroads moment for Nef. Her ascension came on the heels of a decade of more indie projects and a dedicated social media presence in which the aspiring actor educated the world on how she was going to be received. Today the confident 31 year old is settling\u00a0into her next phase with a comfortable living space, a loving partner, and a handful of marquee cameos under her belt. Still, the feisty performer has her eyes on bigger professional prizes. Lounging on her new velvet turquoise sofa, she reflects on this new era and shares her one goal for the year ahead.<\/b><\/span><\/p>"},{"acf_fc_layout":"two_blocks","block_sizes":"half_50_50","content_type_left":"image","image_size_left":"regular","image_left":"","video_left_url":"","video_caption_left":"","video_left_type":false,"text_left":"","credit_image":null,"credit_link_left":null,"content_type_right":"image","image_size_right":"regular","image_right":125102,"video_right_url":"","video_caption_right":"","video_right_type":false,"text_right":""},{"acf_fc_layout":"image","image_size":"full","gallery":[125114]},{"acf_fc_layout":"interview","interview":[{"question":"

Yesterday was your boyfriend\u2019s birthday<\/span>. <\/span>How did you celebrate<\/span>?<\/span><\/p>","answer":"

We had a dinner for him at our friend Nash [Glynn\u2019s] place. We were up late. We came back here, woke up, drank coffee, and then I took him on a little walk to get his birthday present. He didn\u2019t know what it was. He was complaining that his mattress had sunken in the middle, so I brought him to Mattress Firm in Chelsea and told him to pick out any mattress he wanted. I thought, \u2018What a perfect gift to show support for my boyfriend\u2019.<\/span><\/p>"},{"question":"

Well, it\u2019s also a good gift for yourself<\/span>.<\/span><\/p>","answer":"

That\u2019s exactly what Nash said. I don\u2019t sleep over there as often as he sleeps here. He lives in Bushwick.<\/span><\/p>"},{"question":"

So, you have a long-distance relationship<\/span>?<\/span><\/p>","answer":"

Well, we\u2019re both on the L train so it\u2019s not that bad. I think I might sleep there tonight, depending on where we end up. But yeah, we got the new mattress, came back here, hung out, and then went to HAGS for dinner.<\/span><\/p>"},{"question":"

How did you and Ludwig meet<\/span>?<\/span><\/p>","answer":"

We met through Cloe Young. They\u2019re really tight. One night, I FaceTimed her while she was at dinner with friends. She passed her phone to him, and he said, \u2018Hey, cutie\u2019, and I\u00a0was like, \u2018Game on!\u2019 That was all I needed to fully pursue him.<\/span><\/p>"}]},{"acf_fc_layout":"two_blocks","block_sizes":"half_50_50","content_type_left":"image","image_size_left":"regular","image_left":125099,"video_left_url":"","video_caption_left":"","video_left_type":false,"text_left":"","credit_image":null,"credit_link_left":null,"content_type_right":"image","image_size_right":"regular","image_right":125107,"video_right_url":"","video_caption_right":"","video_right_type":false,"text_right":""},{"acf_fc_layout":"interview","interview":[{"question":"

So, you knew of him before that moment<\/span>?<\/span><\/p>","answer":"

We ran in the same circles and shared lots of mutual friends. I had seen him around, and I thought he was cute. And a year prior to us getting together we met outside of a club and talked about painting and writing for about 20 minutes without knowing each other\u2019s names.<\/span><\/p>"},{"question":"

You shared a similar perspective and understanding right from the start<\/span>.<\/span><\/p>","answer":"

I think that a lot is gained for me from a synchronicity in terms of references, lived experiences, a shared social circle, lifestyle interests, all of it. That is tied to a queer experience. With Ludwig it\u2019s a rather ideal situation in the sense that we are both queer.<\/span><\/p>"},{"question":"

Are you from Boston<\/span>?<\/span><\/p>","answer":"

Newton.<\/span><\/p>"},{"question":"

I also grew up in Massachusetts<\/span>. <\/span>You don\u2019t have the accent either<\/span>?<\/span><\/p>","answer":"

Sometimes I do. When I say \u2018horrah movie\u2019.<\/span><\/p>"},{"question":"

I know that well<\/span>. <\/span>My accent comes back when I visit my parents<\/span>. <\/span>An \u2018r\u2019 at the end of a word gets replaced with \u2018ah<\/span>\u2019. \u2018<\/span>Horror\u2019 is \u2018horrah\u2019, \u2018car\u2019 becomes \u2018cah<\/span>\u2019. <\/span>When you were growing up, what was your parents\u2019 style<\/span>? <\/span>How much of it did you absorb<\/span>?<\/span><\/p>","answer":"

My parents got divorced when I was two. My dad lives in Philadelphia, where I was born. I\u00a0primarily grew up with my mom in Newton. Her tastes progressed with \u201890s Vogue<\/i>. She started off French country, Proven\u00e7al tapestries, tassels, and, you know, artichokes on the corner of the couch. She would be in a black silk Dolce & Gabbana top which is not totally different from what I\u2019m doing now. Today she\u2019s gone full modern, somewhere between Kim and [Ye\u2019s] house and Selling Sunset<\/i>. She likes clean lines and bright white light. She likes glass and stone. She values serenity. I\u00a0feel like I\u2019m probably more influenced by my dad\u2019s sense of interior decor. He always had a modern sensibility. His style has a sense of humour, irony, and urbanity. He\u2019s really into pop art. He owns a handful of Warhol\u2019s artist\u2019s proof prints. You know, this is the first space I\u2019ve ever lived in where I really considered the design.<\/span><\/p>"}]},{"acf_fc_layout":"image","image_size":"regular","gallery":[125108]},{"acf_fc_layout":"interview","interview":[{"question":"

Where were you before this<\/span>?<\/span><\/p>","answer":"

I had a series of small, crappy apartments. And then I lived with friends in LA for a handful of years. It was a difficult, turbulent time in my life full of questioning. In early 2020, I\u00a0decided very impulsively to move back to New York and live in a neighbourhood I\u00a0wanted to live in, in a place that demanded me to move beyond IKEA.<\/span><\/p>"},{"question":"

Did you collaborate with anyone on the design of this apartment<\/span>?<\/span><\/p>","answer":"

I was introduced to David Cafiero and Thom Lussier through Chlo\u00eb Sevigny. I asked them if they would work with me in some way on this place. They came to my apartment, and they said, \u2018It\u2019s not a big enough job, but we like you, so we\u2019ll advise on it\u2019. It was Covid\u2019s shelter-in-place period, and nobody had anything to do. Thom took measurements and made a 3D rendering of the apartment. I sent him things that I found on places like Chairish, and he would plop them into the space for me so we could see the proportion. They also sent me a PDF of pieces based on what I had articulated as my vision, and I\u00a0bought some of them. For others, I found corollaries. This couch came very much at my mom\u2019s recommendation.<\/span><\/p>"},{"question":"

It\u2019s so luxe<\/span>. <\/span>Did you have it reupholstered<\/span>?<\/span><\/p>","answer":"

No, it\u2019s new. There are only two new major pieces: the shelves and the couch. Shout out to Rove Concepts for the sofa. The supplemental pillows are from ABC Carpet & Home. The\u00a0faux fur comforter is from Walmart. The Elfa shelves are from the Container Store. Everything else is vintage or secondhand. I got most of it on Chairish because during the pandemic people were accepting doomsday offers.<\/span><\/p>"}]},{"acf_fc_layout":"two_blocks","block_sizes":"half_50_50","content_type_left":"image","image_size_left":"regular","image_left":125098,"video_left_url":"","video_caption_left":"","video_left_type":false,"text_left":"","credit_image":null,"credit_link_left":null,"content_type_right":"image","image_size_right":"regular","image_right":"","video_right_url":"","video_caption_right":"","video_right_type":false,"text_right":""},{"acf_fc_layout":"two_blocks","block_sizes":"half_50_50","content_type_left":"image","image_size_left":"regular","image_left":"","video_left_url":"","video_caption_left":"","video_left_type":false,"text_left":"","credit_image":null,"credit_link_left":null,"content_type_right":"image","image_size_right":"regular","image_right":125106,"video_right_url":"","video_caption_right":"","video_right_type":false,"text_right":""},{"acf_fc_layout":"image","image_size":"full","gallery":[125103]},{"acf_fc_layout":"interview","interview":[{"question":"

I love your formal nightstand lamps<\/span>.<\/span><\/p>","answer":"

Cute, right? Those are vintage Chinese lamps.<\/span><\/p>"},{"question":"

And the elephant in the room, so to speak<\/span>? <\/span>The most radical thing about your home is that you live with multiple larger-than-life images of Naomi Watts and Ewan McGregor<\/span>.<\/span><\/p>","answer":"

That series of enlarged Polaroids is by artist Stephanie Schneider. She took them on the set of the movie Stay<\/i> directed by Marc Forster. It\u2019s a very trip-hop, somewhat silly 2005 film that I refer to fondly as \u2018Mulholland Drive<\/i> for boys\u2019. Naomi knows I live with these images of her. I\u00a0have shown her pictures of this living room. She thinks it\u2019s cool. Or, at least, she\u2019s cool with it. Mulholland Drive<\/i> is a touchstone for me. That\u2019s where I fell in love with her and her work.<\/span><\/p>"},{"question":"

Why does that movie resonate with you<\/span>?<\/span><\/p>","answer":"

Because it\u2019s one of the only films that does justice to how twisted my job is. That\u2019s what being an actress for hire feels like. David Lynch articulated that beautifully. Also, I just really like the way these photographs look. I like the tension between the man and woman. I like that he\u2019s in a suit and she\u2019s in a T-shirt. And I\u00a0like that it matches my couch.<\/span><\/p>"},{"question":"

Plus it gives you a New York City skyline<\/span>. <\/span>Can you tell me about the image above your bed<\/span>?<\/span><\/p>","answer":"

That\u2019s from Slim Aarons. It\u2019s a bunch of models shooting a fur catalogue in Gstaad.\u00a0<\/span><\/span>They\u2019re hanging out, having drinks. I thought Slim would fit in well with my old-school-meets-new-school aesthetic. Here\u2019s a painting of Joan Rivers.<\/span><\/p>"},{"question":"

Are you a fan<\/span>?<\/span><\/p>","answer":"

When I was shooting Barbie<\/i> in London, I was in an Issy Wood music video for her song \u2018Both\u2019. Lena Dunham directed it. I\u2019ll do anything with Lena, so I was excited to do it. That painting was my payment.<\/span><\/p>"}]},{"acf_fc_layout":"image","image_size":"regular","gallery":[125113]},{"acf_fc_layout":"interview","interview":[{"question":"

Did you always want to be an actor<\/span>? <\/span>Is that what you studied in college<\/span>?<\/span><\/p>","answer":"

At Columbia I majored in drama and theatre arts. I was studying Chekhov and Shakespeare. I love being on stage. I love doing it every night, the endurance of it. I love discovering new things in the performance. I love the danger of liveness.<\/span><\/p>"},{"question":"

What was college life like for you<\/span>?<\/span><\/p>","answer":"

It was difficult. It was challenging, but I was certainly more than tolerated. I mean, if you treat people with kindness and have a certain degree of charm and do your homework, you can get by at a school like Columbia. I made some really great friends, but I never felt like I was among my people which is why I was living my Hannah Montana life and going downtown, going to parties and openings, and sneaking into fashion shows. I was looking for my people.<\/span><\/p>"},{"question":"

Where did you first find them<\/span>?<\/span><\/p>","answer":"

At Susanne Bartsch parties. On Thursday night she used to throw this party called Van Dam at a club called The Greenhouse. Ladyfag would do the basement and Amanda Lepore, who I idolise, would always host. Alexis Penney invited me to perform outside of my school for the first time, and she was in with Ryan Trecartin, Cody Critcheloe, and the DIS<\/i> [magazine] people [David Toro and Solomon Chase]. That\u2019s how I met all of them. I was gagged that people from the internet like Amanda and Ryan were just accessible to me. Later I joined Chez Deep, this artist collective that included Alexis, Sam Banks, Colin Self, and Bailey Stiles. I thought that they were all so cool because they were remaking queer culture and aesthetics through this postmodern lens, thinking about technology and the internet. A big part of my life was synthesised by this group of artists. And also, Shayne Oliver! Hood by Air (HBA) was the first show I\u00a0ever walked. In 2011 I walked for HBA and Eckhaus Latta on the same day! That was the birth of me as a model.<\/span><\/p>"}]},{"acf_fc_layout":"two_blocks","block_sizes":"half_50_50","content_type_left":"image","image_size_left":"regular","image_left":125095,"video_left_url":"","video_caption_left":"","video_left_type":false,"text_left":"","credit_image":null,"credit_link_left":null,"content_type_right":"image","image_size_right":"regular","image_right":125100,"video_right_url":"","video_caption_right":"","video_right_type":false,"text_right":""},{"acf_fc_layout":"interview","interview":[{"question":"

What was your first professional acting role<\/span>?<\/span><\/p>","answer":"

It was actually all because of Cynthia Nixon. Her trans son, Seph, showed her a video of one of my performance pieces. I originally thought I was going to be a performance artist before\u00a0I decided that I was going to be an actress. I\u00a0didn\u2019t think someone like me could cut it as an actress until I saw Laverne Cox on Orange Is the New Black<\/i> on this new thing called Netflix, and I was like, \u2018OK, interesting\u2019. Cynthia invited me to audition for a reading that she was doing. I got the part, but the play didn\u2019t get produced. The artistic director of The New Group, Scott Elliott, saw me in that reading and had me come in to audition for a part in another show that he was doing. It turned out to be Jeremy O. Harris\u2019 play, Daddy<\/i>, and I\u00a0got the part. So right when I graduated, I\u00a0was confirmed to do this Off-Broadway show.<\/span><\/p>"},{"question":"

Who did you play<\/span>?<\/span><\/p>","answer":"

I played a nepo baby gallerist named Alessia. I often get cast as these executive types.<\/span><\/p>"},{"question":"You do have alpha energy<\/span>.<\/span>","answer":"And then I got the call from Transparent<\/i>. So, my internet-ness had reached all of these people. At that time, there weren\u2019t a lot of people doing what I was doing.<\/span>"},{"question":"Your \u2018internet-ness\u2019 is exactly what helped inspire lots of teens who saw you as a role model, people like Ser Serpas, who is now a well-respected artist<\/span>.<\/span>","answer":"Yeah, she was actually encouraged to go to Columbia by watching me on the internet. She messaged me when she was a senior in high school. I\u00a0said, \u2018Yeah, it\u2019s fine. Come. Apply early\u2019.<\/span>"},{"question":"Your presence online was already that strong when you were in college<\/span>?<\/span>","answer":"I was prolific on Tumblr and Facebook. Instagram was just starting to be a thing. Ser took me to her dorm room, and she had a collage on her wall that had a picture of me in it. She\u2019d probably cringe if I told you that, but it\u2019s true.<\/span>"},{"question":"Amazing that your visibility had such a big impact on her<\/span>.<\/span>","answer":"I\u2019m only a year or two older than her, and she says she\u2019s my firstborn.<\/span>"}]},{"acf_fc_layout":"image","image_size":"full","gallery":[125109]},{"acf_fc_layout":"interview","interview":[{"question":"

What about your social media image do you think connected with her<\/span>?<\/span><\/p>","answer":"

I think the fact that I was this person who was dressing very outlandishly, being photographed at parties. The fact that I attended an Ivy League school. She basically saw somebody who did not sacrifice her self-expression, and at that point I embodied an identity that was considered \u2018exotic\u2019.<\/span><\/p>"},{"question":"People often focus on the negative side of social media, but you have been able to use it powerfully<\/span>. <\/span>I recently watched an i-D<\/i> video of you from 2016 where you explain how these platforms have given you and your peers the opportunity to build a universe around yourselves and show the world how you want to be seen<\/span>. <\/span>In that film, you say the next step is to see how these individual universes work together in communities<\/span>. <\/span>Where do you think we are at with social media now<\/span>?<\/span>","answer":"I think that possibilities have spread, and novelties have become tolerated, mundane, and accepted\u2014even loved and celebrated. I think I got away with a lot of narcissism and myopia just because of my gender identity and the novelty of it. There were high stakes for the dignity and safety of trans people. There still are. I think that they were higher and more incendiary when I was younger. A lot of those things applied to me and my lived experience. I think a lot of them also didn\u2019t. My whiteness and my privilege and my education shielded me from a lot of that. You know, I\u2019m not sure i-D<\/i> would have made a video about me if I\u00a0had been cis.<\/span>"},{"question":"It\u2019s quite a trajectory from bohemia to Barbie<\/i><\/span>. <\/span>I think it would be irresponsible of me not to ask you how Barbie<\/i> changed your life<\/span>?<\/span>","answer":"

For a very brief moment it put my name into the centre of the cultural conversation, and it made my face and voice familiar to people. It has certainly been an invaluable complement to my fashion hustle, which is how I make the majority of my money. Being a part of Barbie<\/i> is something that no one will ever take away from me. But at the end of the day, I\u2019m such a small part of such a big film. Just because I played a character named Barbie doesn\u2019t mean I\u2019m essential to that film. Did Barbie<\/em> change my life? Absolutely. Did it make me an offer-only actor? I\u2019m back to auditioning.<\/span><\/p>\r\n

I think it remains to be seen how it\u2019s necessarily changed the conversation for me in Hollywood because the strike has only been over for a handful of months, and it started right after Barbie<\/i> was released. I don\u2019t really know how it\u2019s changed my life. I do know that after years of trying to get my own stuff made, finally something that I\u2019m producing and starring in is happening.<\/span><\/p>"},{"question":"And Candy Darling<\/span>? <\/span>Is it true you\u2019ll play her in a biopic<\/span>?<\/span>","answer":"Yeah, it\u2019s happening. People keep asking about it because it was announced two summers ago. It\u2019s just been such a long process of writing and developing it. I\u2019ve always wanted to play Candy.<\/span>"},{"question":"Was she a reference for you growing up<\/span>?<\/span>","answer":"Candy came at about 18, when I started learning queer history.<\/span>"}]},{"acf_fc_layout":"image","image_size":"regular","gallery":[125105]},{"acf_fc_layout":"two_blocks","block_sizes":"half_50_50","content_type_left":"image","image_size_left":"regular","image_left":"","video_left_url":"","video_caption_left":"","video_left_type":false,"text_left":"","credit_image":null,"credit_link_left":null,"content_type_right":"image","image_size_right":"regular","image_right":125097,"video_right_url":"","video_caption_right":"","video_right_type":false,"text_right":""},{"acf_fc_layout":"interview","interview":[{"question":"What are your impressions of her<\/span>?<\/span>","answer":"

She believed in transcendence and perfection, and she wanted to be a star, almost as the medium for being a woman. She was also so alienated by the dehumanisation that comes with putting yourself on a pedestal. She felt she understood these contradictions. Glamour and pathos can create a context that sells people on your right to exist but also divorces people from your humanity. She yearned privately to be known, but she moved most easily through the world by building herself into something a little larger, brighter, and grander than life itself. She was at the centre of the universe. She was an \u2018it girl\u2019. She was New York. She was an icon in art and art films and high fashion, and yet she never had a place to live. She never had her own apartment. She never had any money. She crashed with gay guys who loved her and the sisters that she had who loved her. Although [fellow performers and Warhol superstars] Jackie [Curtis] and Holly [Woodlawn], who I\u2019m also very interested in, were kind of more frenemies to Candy.<\/span><\/p>"},{"question":"

What do you identify with most about her<\/span>?<\/span><\/p>","answer":"

It\u2019s this double thing of being at the centre of institutional whatever and also being on the fringe at the same time. Candy Darling embodied that, and it\u2019s something that I\u2019ve always been drawn to, a dialectic between those two things.<\/span><\/p>"},{"question":"Are you ready to be a lead<\/span>?<\/span>","answer":"

Literally my only goal for 2024 is a leading role. 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